I think our choice of tools is widening. I’m going to experiment with Dokuwiki.
And you really need to check out Federated Wiki. It’s that copying feature, in
essence “forking” another persons post, that really caught my eye and made me
think back to all your conversations with h0p3.
I spent about a week playing with Federated Wiki and was initially extremely
excited about it—I’ve always admired Ward Cunningham’s work, there was a
recent blog post called The Garden and the
Stream
that promoted Fed Wiki as a way to do Hypertexting (‘the garden’) and I had
hoped to integrate my hypertext with it.
However, it simply did not function for me and I could not seem to find useful
protocol documents. I didn’t even feel like it was worth posting about yet. I
will continue to keep an eye on it to see if it becomes something practical.
(Even as a reader, I find fedwiki.org really neat but
difficult to use—I feel that it is more opaque than TiddlyWiki even.)
If you chose to go with a search feature, I was going to add you to the search
engines at the bottom of Indieseek’s SERP like I did with Wiby.me. That way I
could share traffic – like someday when I have traffic, with your directory.
Yeah, so—I think we start talking about federating our directories. Here are
some basic starting points:
A central search engine that we can use to index our directories. I will work
on this at some point. Or maybe sites like Wiby.me could collaborate with us.
I may require microformats for the directory entries
and maybe there will be a novel way to use Webmentions.
And, possibly, a directory using the same index—the question is how to find
matches between our categorization systems. Perhaps we could treat categories
like tags—or to provide a mapping to another category system.
Perhaps a way of collecting submissions from a central bucket? Maybe we could
publish our submissions on a page, regardless of whether they’re
included—this could also be useful for establishing a spam list.
It would be cool to syndicate entries—like I may want to take an entry from
yours and embed it in mine. People may want to syndicate entries
elsewhere—maybe as Twitter cards. And, most importantly, I may want to
periodically ‘guest’ a directory and highlight that directory’s activity for a
month.
I think it’s also useful to acknowledge that this is all different from Pinboard
because our directories:
Are heavily filtered. We don’t include stuff that is ‘to-be-read’ or not (in
our view at least) of very high quality or interest.
Entries generally have thorough commentary.
There is kind of a team thing going on—you and I are working separately, but
there is a lot of collaboration and linking going on—I see this being good
long-term because we can rope in others who cover other topics and act like a
decentralized DMOZ. We could even safely double-up on the same topics because
people will have different takes.
Interesting point about using comments and stars yourself. Sounds cool!
I will definitely add a query string search and will look at doing what you do
on your results page. Cool, so far, so good.
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I spent about a week playing with Federated Wiki and was initially extremely excited about it—I’ve always admired Ward Cunningham’s work, there was a recent blog post called The Garden and the Stream that promoted Fed Wiki as a way to do Hypertexting (‘the garden’) and I had hoped to integrate my hypertext with it.
However, it simply did not function for me and I could not seem to find useful protocol documents. I didn’t even feel like it was worth posting about yet. I will continue to keep an eye on it to see if it becomes something practical. (Even as a reader, I find fedwiki.org really neat but difficult to use—I feel that it is more opaque than TiddlyWiki even.)
Yeah, so—I think we start talking about federating our directories. Here are some basic starting points:
A central search engine that we can use to index our directories. I will work on this at some point. Or maybe sites like Wiby.me could collaborate with us. I may require microformats for the directory entries and maybe there will be a novel way to use Webmentions.
And, possibly, a directory using the same index—the question is how to find matches between our categorization systems. Perhaps we could treat categories like tags—or to provide a mapping to another category system.
Perhaps a way of collecting submissions from a central bucket? Maybe we could publish our submissions on a page, regardless of whether they’re included—this could also be useful for establishing a spam list.
It would be cool to syndicate entries—like I may want to take an entry from yours and embed it in mine. People may want to syndicate entries elsewhere—maybe as Twitter cards. And, most importantly, I may want to periodically ‘guest’ a directory and highlight that directory’s activity for a month.
I think it’s also useful to acknowledge that this is all different from Pinboard because our directories:
Are heavily filtered. We don’t include stuff that is ‘to-be-read’ or not (in our view at least) of very high quality or interest.
Entries generally have thorough commentary.
There is kind of a team thing going on—you and I are working separately, but there is a lot of collaboration and linking going on—I see this being good long-term because we can rope in others who cover other topics and act like a decentralized DMOZ. We could even safely double-up on the same topics because people will have different takes.
Interesting point about using comments and stars yourself. Sounds cool!
I will definitely add a query string search and will look at doing what you do on your results page. Cool, so far, so good.