I have asked you some very personal questions, and I will continue to do so,
nomad.
The repeated use of the word nomad has conjured up a song I had forgotten:
Nomad Tell Us and its
repeated admonishment, “You must relate to the earthling mortal!” Haha, it’s
so emblematic of reading your wiki!
My wife is a librarian, and it feels like you are doing indieweb-librarian
work to me. Do you consider it part of your vocation? It feels like more than
just an aesthetic experience to me.
I suppose I will get a little personal then. My aunt died over a decade ago and
she was a library director on the West Coast. I still think of her all the time. But she
has been gone so long that I can’t find any of her interviews or papers like I
once could. I talked to her once about Ranganathan, who I had just discovered,
and she talked about edge cases in categorizing books—in fact, I think I’ll
start storing books in an “edge case”—and then she
died and I live with the regret of never seeing that promising conversation
continue.
But I kept talking to librarians after that—it sates my wish to talk to her
still. I had a friend for a little while who was a librarian on Microsoft’s campus.
A corporate librarian! She was fantastic to talk about books with.
Librarians are not admired in the same way that teachers are, but their work
can be very important. Someone has to sift through the vast sea of words and
pluck up the ones worth saving. This is becoming even more impossible today.
I sometimes feel like there could be an amateur librarian’s movement—this is
what I’d hoped the old Internet “surf clubs” would be—but it truly is a gift
of generosity to attempt to organize the world out there. I admire your wife
and these others.
If I understand correctly, there are diminishing returns in the scaling of
triangles for visual modeling.
Well, I guess I thought that more triangles would only improve definition, but
this is a great observation.
(Oh, comment about this conversation: we are using a type of embedded reply
form here which is quickly growing deep. I wonder how else we might capture
this discussion—which might go on for some time—into a large flat structure,
simple to read back on, but which might keep related threads together without
losing access to the original message. Or maybe these quote-and-reply forms are too
restrictive, I wonder if we can sprawl out more.)
I hope that my representation becomes increasingly accurate and useful to me.
Even if I fail, I hope to come closer and closer to success on this issue.
Well, here’s one question—how will you endure a drastic change? Like: what if
you reverse a core tenant? Or, moreso, could you discover that you aren’t a wiki,
but are a different type of information structure? Perhaps you’ve decided you are
and that’s the end of it.
You are sort of bumping up against communicating with the outside. I will be interested
to see how you sort this out. Your many-meg single page site is so unique and
I find the opportunity to download all of it to my computer memory like the visit
of an oracle—a single being, sent to deliver the collected wisdom of any query
I might have.
So I am happy to communicate however you see fit, because your oracle’s purpose
is to organize your thoughts, not to be a telegraph system. My organization here
is the opposite: it’s designed to send dispatches to individuals. But I am going
to make some small changes to have a tiny oracle as well.
I don’t think any of these things are technological problems, though. I am happy
to drive to your house and ring the doorbell or go to the basement doorway and let
myself in—or whatever the protocol is for you. I think that’s what’s so marvellous
about your site and sites like whimsy.space.
I hope you don’t think I’m a snob. I would argue I deal with many unsavories.
I hope you’re okay being a snob! Why would that be so terrible? We all live on a giant
graph paper and, speaking for myself, I really like my coordinates. You might just be
snobbish about being your own type of unsavory.
There is an interesting poem I recently read called bulldyke
that made me think of this. The poem itself dabbles in unsavory—are these words
disgusting? Are these thoughts perverse? Is the afraid little boy lover in the poem—certainly
he’s the unsavory one. (And, also, poetry—isn’t poetry just awful?)
I don’t know, but I like deciding these things. Who doesn’t? I’m a snob, too.
Like everyone else, I hate Facebook and what it has done to the Hypertext Kingdom
and I will fight it valiantly and with great, upturned nostrils. But I have also
used it to obsessively follow the death of Kaylee (and other children that I will
write about some time) and I have depended on this awful unsavory to read their obscure
stories. It has filled me with profound spiritual mayonnaisse.
I should also say that I enjoyed the recent VICE video with a girl in big Sally
Jesse Raphael glasses interviewing an Incel. I felt that I really loved both of
them. Not in a Jesus way; like the Double Rainbow guy, crying and marvelling over
colorful semicircles. I don’t know if VICE is unsavory—I guess I wonder if all
businesses are.
Perhaps the biggest worry I have is that I will think someone to be pure and
unscathed and godlike—only to discover that they have touched their whole staff in all
the wrong places. 😂
I’ve been thinking about a problem which you’ve probably seen a dozen answers
to. I have now been asked twice for a way to push notifications of updates.
I am worried that my wiki isn’t well-designed for that. I’m not entirely sure
what I would push to others (my New kind of does that). I would like to know
your thoughts on where I should go with this.
I am happy with how you have things. I understand how you work now. If anything,
I would argue that you should continue innovating in the way you have been. That,
like the single-page oracle metaphor from earlier, you will find more ways for
the technology to symbolically represent you. This is paramount.
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The repeated use of the word nomad has conjured up a song I had forgotten: Nomad Tell Us and its repeated admonishment, “You must relate to the earthling mortal!” Haha, it’s so emblematic of reading your wiki!
I suppose I will get a little personal then. My aunt died over a decade ago and she was a library director on the West Coast. I still think of her all the time. But she has been gone so long that I can’t find any of her interviews or papers like I once could. I talked to her once about Ranganathan, who I had just discovered, and she talked about edge cases in categorizing books—in fact, I think I’ll start storing books in an “edge case”—and then she died and I live with the regret of never seeing that promising conversation continue.
But I kept talking to librarians after that—it sates my wish to talk to her still. I had a friend for a little while who was a librarian on Microsoft’s campus. A corporate librarian! She was fantastic to talk about books with.
Librarians are not admired in the same way that teachers are, but their work can be very important. Someone has to sift through the vast sea of words and pluck up the ones worth saving. This is becoming even more impossible today. I sometimes feel like there could be an amateur librarian’s movement—this is what I’d hoped the old Internet “surf clubs” would be—but it truly is a gift of generosity to attempt to organize the world out there. I admire your wife and these others.
Well, I guess I thought that more triangles would only improve definition, but this is a great observation.
(Oh, comment about this conversation: we are using a type of embedded reply form here which is quickly growing deep. I wonder how else we might capture this discussion—which might go on for some time—into a large flat structure, simple to read back on, but which might keep related threads together without losing access to the original message. Or maybe these quote-and-reply forms are too restrictive, I wonder if we can sprawl out more.)
Well, here’s one question—how will you endure a drastic change? Like: what if you reverse a core tenant? Or, moreso, could you discover that you aren’t a wiki, but are a different type of information structure? Perhaps you’ve decided you are and that’s the end of it.
You are sort of bumping up against communicating with the outside. I will be interested to see how you sort this out. Your many-meg single page site is so unique and I find the opportunity to download all of it to my computer memory like the visit of an oracle—a single being, sent to deliver the collected wisdom of any query I might have.
So I am happy to communicate however you see fit, because your oracle’s purpose is to organize your thoughts, not to be a telegraph system. My organization here is the opposite: it’s designed to send dispatches to individuals. But I am going to make some small changes to have a tiny oracle as well.
I don’t think any of these things are technological problems, though. I am happy to drive to your house and ring the doorbell or go to the basement doorway and let myself in—or whatever the protocol is for you. I think that’s what’s so marvellous about your site and sites like whimsy.space.
I hope you’re okay being a snob! Why would that be so terrible? We all live on a giant graph paper and, speaking for myself, I really like my coordinates. You might just be snobbish about being your own type of unsavory.
There is an interesting poem I recently read called bulldyke that made me think of this. The poem itself dabbles in unsavory—are these words disgusting? Are these thoughts perverse? Is the afraid little boy lover in the poem—certainly he’s the unsavory one. (And, also, poetry—isn’t poetry just awful?)
I don’t know, but I like deciding these things. Who doesn’t? I’m a snob, too.
Like everyone else, I hate Facebook and what it has done to the Hypertext Kingdom and I will fight it valiantly and with great, upturned nostrils. But I have also used it to obsessively follow the death of Kaylee (and other children that I will write about some time) and I have depended on this awful unsavory to read their obscure stories. It has filled me with profound spiritual mayonnaisse.
I should also say that I enjoyed the recent VICE video with a girl in big Sally Jesse Raphael glasses interviewing an Incel. I felt that I really loved both of them. Not in a Jesus way; like the Double Rainbow guy, crying and marvelling over colorful semicircles. I don’t know if VICE is unsavory—I guess I wonder if all businesses are.
Perhaps the biggest worry I have is that I will think someone to be pure and unscathed and godlike—only to discover that they have touched their whole staff in all the wrong places. 😂
I am happy with how you have things. I understand how you work now. If anything, I would argue that you should continue innovating in the way you have been. That, like the single-page oracle metaphor from earlier, you will find more ways for the technology to symbolically represent you. This is paramount.